Friday, April 9, 2010

Family Friendly good restaurant with a view

What restaurant would you recommend for a good view and good food for a family of 5? The kids are 10,8 %26amp; 6. I thought we could ride the incline and eat around the Mt. Washington area. Or if you have any other suggestions, I%26#39;m open to them!



Family Friendly good restaurant with a view


I%26#39;m not sure of your budget, but Monterrey Bay on Mt Washington is good. Anything up there is pricey.





You could take the incline up and walk around to the lookout posts and come back down to Station Square to eat.





There is Joe%26#39;s Crab Shack, Hard Rock, Melting Pot, Bucca de Beppo (if you%26#39;ve never been, it%26#39;s family style, fun and pretty good food!)





Anything else you want to know, just ask!



Family Friendly good restaurant with a view


Coal Hill Steakhouse.





It has a great menu, reasonably priced compared to other Mt. Washington restaurants, and IMO has the best views. If the weather is nice, ask for outdoor seating on one of the balconies.




Thanks for the suggestions. Are Monteray Bay and the Coal Hill Steakhouse restaurants a bit too formal for kids? Do you know if families eat there or will it be all couples? I think the Bucca de Beppo will be a good choice too.




I can only comment on Monterey Bay-- it%26#39;s not formal formal, like the Lemont would be.




Coal Hill Steakhouse is not formal at all. We%26#39;ve taken our son several times.





Here is the website for CHS:





http://www.coalhillsteakhouse.com/





and the one for MBFG:





www.montereybayfishgrotto.com/pittsburgh/





both sites have their menus.

One Night - One Dinner - Need Local's Advice

One Night - One Dinner - What would you choose? Dish Osteria, Tin Angel, Isabella, or something better. Late 30%26#39;s, with Spouse, escaping the children for the weekend, major foodies both of us. Help !



One Night - One Dinner - Need Local's Advice


Isabella%26#39;s or Grand Concourse (River Room)



One Night - One Dinner - Need Local's Advice


Cafe Allegro - South Side



Bistro 19 - Mt Lebanon



Eleven - Smallman Street



Cafe Giorgio - Bethel Park



Armstrong%26#39;s - Bloomfield




still thinking....





Pittsburgh Rare - Station Square




I haven%26#39;t been there in a while, but the Hyeholde always had good food and is in an old mansion with nice grounds, so you can have a drink outside, move inside for dinner and it really is a very elegant evening. Much more of an ';event'; in itself than most restaurants are, and therefore maybe in line with what you%26#39;re looking for.





Here%26#39;s the website with reviews, directions,etc.





http://www.hyeholde.com/




Of your three choices, Dish, for food and atmosphere. Tin Angel has a great view but has seen better days food-wise. Isabella is the only one of the three I haven%26#39;t been to, the view is nice and people I know have enjoyed it though none went wild about it. My other two suggestions, on the South Side, would be LePommier or Cafe Allegro. Good luck!




I love the food at Eleven.





Is Isabella on Mt. Wash? I think I was there 7 yrs ago. Dinner took 3+ hours for the tasting menu.




Thanks everyone - ELEVEN it is. Just made a reservation - will post my review next week.




ENJOY!



I go there every year for my birthday :)





If you like Ameretto, they have a really good brand called Luxardo. It%26#39;s a special order from the Liquor Store, not normally carried. Just a suggestion!




Enjoy your dinner at ELEVEN! It has a sort of cosmopolitan/hip vibe but for a older set (30%26#39;s +). I always try to go to some of the restaurants that are under the Big Burrito Company umbrella (Owners of Mad Mex, Casbah, Soba %26amp; ELEVEN). I find their meals never disappoint.





Have a cocktail in the lounge before your meal!


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  • Airport Food

    Does anyone know how early the restaurants or more likely ';grab and go'; open at the airport?



    Airport Food


    pitairport.com/airsideTerminal_AIRMALL_dinin…





    Here%26#39;s the website for all the grab n go places - they don%26#39;t list hours but there are phone numbers listed.



    Airport Food


    Most things seem to be open around 6AM, when I%26#39;ve flown in the past.




    Thanks for the info. I took a look at the website yesterday and was surprised they didn%26#39;t list the hours.




    They definitely close by 11pm (maybe even 10pm). When I breezed thru there in May around 11;15pm nothing was open, sadly and i was starving!

    Which Incline to Ride and Where to Park?

    Which incline is better and where should you park to walk to and ride it? What else is there to do around the incline with kids? Thanks.



    Which Incline to Ride and Where to Park?


    You can park at Station Square.





    Take a ride on the Good Ship Lollipop, part of the Gateway Clipper Fleet.





    Do chocolate fondue at the Melting Pot.





    If you are coming in summer, and the weather cooperates, hang out at Bessemer Court and watch the fountain/light show.





    Take the T over to town and go to Point State Park.





    Anything else, let me know - hope that helped!



    Which Incline to Ride and Where to Park?


    You can also catch the Incline right across from Station Square - which has loads of shopping and eating choices.




    There is free parking directly across Carson Street from the base of the Duquesne Incline.





    http://incline.pghfree.net/




    I like the Duquesne Incline a little better; there is a tacky little historical display up top that I find interesting. It is also closer to most of the restaurants, though it sounds like that won%26#39;t be a concern to you. There is a parking spot right below the incline off Carson Street, the main street running past Station Square. For the Mon, park anywhere in Station Square; you can%26#39;t miss the incline, it%26#39;s right across the street. Really you can%26#39;t go wrong with either.




    I also vote for the Duquesne Incline - I think the view is a bit nicer and it has a display with old pictures and letters at the top. It%26#39;s easy to get to - there is a free incline parking lot at the very end of Station square (the end nearer the Point), then go up the stairs and across the pedestrian Bridge. You can always drive down to the other end of Station Square to do some exploring before or after.

    Destination Experts - Can you review my Itinerary?

    This might be the best Forum on Trip Advisor, Philly really is the City of Brotherly Love





    Sept 10



    Arrive 11 am



    - Check in to hotel, drop off luggage if we can’t check in



    - Lunch at Reading Terminal Market



    - Site see around hotel – City Hall, Masonic Temple, Macy’s



    - Check in and rest a bit



    - Dinner before theater 6-8 Caribou Café or Friday,Sat, Sunday



    - Theater- Show- State Fair



    - Drinks in Old City or go back to hotel





    Sep 11



    - Breakfast at Reading Terminal



    - Independence Mall area, Old City, Liberty Hall, Constituion Hall, US Mint, Wash Square



    - Late Lunch at Gino’s, Pat’s- Explore Italian Market if time permits



    - Phillies Game



    - Drinks on South Street or Northern Liberties area





    Sep 12



    - Breakfast at Reading Terminal



    - Site See possible things missed in Independence mall area



    (Any Ideas if we see everything in Mall area day before- LOVE sign,Buildings?????)



    - Nice Lunch around Rittenhouse Square , La Colmbre for Coffee



    - Mutter Museum



    - Logan Square



    - See Rocky Statue at Philly Art Museum around 3ish, probably won’t go in



    - Light Dinner at Jims Steaks or Tacconelli’s



    - Options (Back to Philly Game – Favorite Team is Brewers and there in town) or explore town South Street, Helium Comdey Club, in Old City, Standard Tap





    Sep 13



    Flight Leaves at 11am, probably won’t get up early unless time permits



    Destination Experts - Can you review my Itinerary?


    Sorry, Forgot to add a couple things:





    Staying at Downtown Mariott





    Doing everything via foot,Bus or Subway and cab to bar areas





    Will also fit Gelato in sometime



    Destination Experts - Can you review my Itinerary?


    Seems a bit packed, but do-able. I doubt you will be able to do Tacconelli%26#39;s. Most cab drivers probably can%26#39;t find it (even with GPS), and getting a cab coming back could be difficult- you would certainly need to call for one by phone (and don%26#39;t forget that you must reserve your pizza in advance). Besides, after having a Pat%26#39;s or Geno%26#39;s cheesesteak (Geno%26#39;s is better, BTW), you should get a _good_ cheesesteak at Jim%26#39;s for comparison.





    If you head up to the Love sculpture (it%26#39;s not a sign), you can check out the amazing video wall at the new Comcast Center (world%26#39;s largest HD flat panel screen)- 17th %26amp; JFK Blvd. You can hit that between the Love statue and either the Mutter Museum or the Art Museum.





    Don%26#39;t tie yourself down to La Colombre for coffee. There are many places around. Just stumble onto one. You can skip Helium unless you%26#39;ve never been to a comedy club before.





    After the Phillies game, you will have to get back to town before cabbing up to NoLibs. NoLibs is a better option than South Street except that things are more spread out. 2nd street has the most options up there. Standard Tap is just another bar/restaurant. You can hit that during your NoLibs trip the first time. I would suggest exploring the bars in Old City instead.




    You%26#39;re itinerary looks fabulous and you obviously put a lot of thought into it. My suggestions would be:





    Sept 11: you have a lot planned for the historic area, so that it could take a whole day . I suggest you eliminate ';Late Lunch at Gino’s, Pat’s- Explore Italian Market'; in favor of lunch in the historic area or a walk over to Jim%26#39;s steaks on South st.





    Sep 12





    Rather than re-visit the historic area, I%26#39;d plan to spend the day more in the vicinity of the Centery City/Art Museum area. This could give you time to visit either the inside of the Art Museum, the Franklin Institute, the Eastern State Penitentiary, or take a walk along boathouse row, depending on your interests. As far as statues, the clothespin statute on 15th street and Market is iconic. I agree with Owlyn%26#39;s idea of putting the Comcast Video Wall on your itinerary. There is also a new foodcourt downstairs in the building as well as a very chic and trendy outdoor cafe (Table 31) on the plaza.





    For your lunch also consider Marathon Grill at 19th and Market Sts if the weather is nice and you get there early enough (12 noon) to get a seat outdoors. This place is very reasonable but the food is wonderful, burgers, sandwiches, salads, soups... it is my favorite lunch place!!





    http://www.marathongrill.com/index2.html





    There is a great gelato place near Rittenhouse so save room for dessert after lunch





    www.capogirogelato.com/wheretobuy.php?c=n





    After lunch you may want to take a walk down Walnut stret to Broad St. for shopping





    My thinking on the dinner choices is Caribou Cafe for the pre-theater, then skip the Phillies game (sorry!!) and do Friday Saturday Sunday on the second night.





    Have a great trip.




    I agree its a bit ambitious. Especially the 11th, your Indy mall is a full day for some people. I agree with taking Genos and Pats out of the equation, going to take you 2 or more hours for a mediocre at best sandwich.





    On Sep 13 - You need to be at the airport by 9 AM, so you%26#39;ll be getting up early no matter what :)




    Gelato?





    Best place:



    Capogiro



    119 South 13th St



    Philadelphia, PA 19107



    (215) 351-0900



    www.capogirogelato.com





    Also, ';light'; and cheesesteak shouldn%26#39;t be used in the same sentence - they are heavy no matter the time of day!





    Museum%26#39;s themselves take a few hours, liberty bell could have a line, independence hall tickets could be odd times. Factor in a lot of time for transportation - walking, cabs, etc. It looks good and busy but the small things will eat up a lot of the time.





    I%26#39;d say skip south street unless you are going to Jim%26#39;s - even then, just do Campo%26#39;s and save yourself the trip all the way out there. Nothing of big importance or sites on South. Standard Tap is cool but factor that in to your other time in the Northern Libs to make best use of your time.





    Get familiar with the subway stop locations ahead of time. I also suggest a ';Streetwise Philadelphia Map'; - it lists the major bus routes and gives all the subway stops. You%26#39;ll need it! :) Amazon or Barnes/Nobel is a good choice to find it.





    Have fun, I think it%26#39;s doable if this is your one shot at Philly. More time would be great, but you do the best with what you have!





    You could grab some cheesesteaks to-go for the plane ride home, too. I usually send people to Campo%26#39;s on the way out of town b/c it%26#39;s the best stop on the way to the airport! :)




    Thank you for all your help on this trip.




    One thing for sure, you%26#39;ll never run out of places to see, do and eat! Some other suggestions if you have time. If you do end up around the Art museum area the walk around the river is always nice, and the historical Eastern penintentiary in the fairmount area is worth a visit. If you need refreshments and libations plenty of eateries/bars around Fairmount. Back around Rittenhouse area, you will also find the second Capogiro gelatto on 20th and Sansom, Tinto(Basque region tapas), La colombe 19th/Sansom (go for the coffee and ambiance, it%26#39;s not starbucks), or Tria 18th/Sansom or 12th/spruce(wine,beer cafe)and a small byob Italian resto called Salento on 2216 Walnut. Enjoy your visit and come back soon!

    Train from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh

    We%26#39;re (3 of us) planning to visit our relatives in small town 2.5hour drive from Harrisburg. We%26#39;ll fly from Houston to Harrisburg ( rent a car to Gilberton) then we plan to visit our friends who live in Pittsburgh. How much is the train cost from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh (round trip)?





    Thank you guys.



    Train from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh


    I would check amtrak.com on that one, the train is sooo much nicer than the drive. Have a great trip!



    Train from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh


    I went to college near Harrisburg and made the trip many times to visit friends in Pittsburgh.





    The train: it is nice and relaxing, a bit slower, but very economical. Great value for 1 person.





    If you%26#39;re going as a group of 3, I%26#39;d compare driving costs vs. 3 round trip train tickets. You may be surprised with the outcome.

    Philadelphia

    Hi - I will be in Philadelphia in February for a week in February 2009 - does anyone know of any film tours that I could go on with my grandson (14yrs) - Thanks in advance ! Annmarie


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  • To Niagara Falls

    I plan to visit Niagara Falls by early September over the weekend. I wouldn%26#39;t be driving. What is the most economic way to go Niagara from Fort Washington or Philadelphia?



    Is there any free %26amp; easy tour or train service to Niagara from Fort Washington/Philadelphia? Thanks!





    To Niagara Falls


    As far as I know, there are no regular scheduled tour runs to Niagara Falls. Private groups may run trips but I couldn%26#39;t find anything in the area. There is Greyhound, but that%26#39;s not a run I would wish on anyone.





    It%26#39;s important to note that the most popular attractions for Niagara falls are on the canadian side of the border.





    Amtrak offers a run to Niagara Ontario from PHL. that right now is showing $63 each way. That%26#39;s an amazing price and seats are limited. It%26#39;s about an 11 hour trip. You change trains in NYC. I%26#39;m also not sure where the train in Niagara lets out, you may need a cab to the falls area.







    Your other choice is to fly, couldn%26#39;t come up with anything less than $500 that would not require renting a car.



    To Niagara Falls


    The train (VIA RAIL in Canada)is within walking distance to all hotels and the American Falls (on the Canadian side). I agree with previous poster. It is a long train ride. You would be going through New York and then at Grand Central either hoping on Via Rail or continuing with AMTRAK. For the price it is definetly worth it. Niagara usually offers 2 night packages. If you want a nice hotel near the falls try: The Oaks, Hilton or Mariott or even the Radisson by the falls. The casino is withing walking distance of all these hotels.





    If your looking for a ';budget hotel'; and again when I say budget I mean ';budget'; Lundy%26#39;s Lane has alot of the cheaper Motel type lodging. You will need a taxi though to get to their from the train.





    Have a nice trip

    philadelphia

    Hi - I will be in Phildaelphia for a week in February 2009 with my grandson (14 yrs) - does anyone know of any film tours that we can go on? thanks in advance!



    philadelphia


    Not sure of any film tours, but downtown Philly is laden with plenty of history. From the liberty bell, to betsy ross%26#39; house, ben franklins tomb, the art museum, penn center, reading station. So much to do and a great city.





    Have fun





    PS: He might enjoy taking his pic with the Rocky statue (to the right hand side of the stairs of the art museum). Those it might be a little chilly in Feb.



    philadelphia


    The Greater Philadelphia Film Office which makes arrangements for filming done here, has run film tours in the past. I%26#39;m not sure whether they are currently, but I would contact them for information. www.film.org

    Hilton..getting around

    Ok I went ahead and booked the Hilton knowing about the construction going on. We are getting a great rate and thought the view and location would be worth it.. How accessible is the ';T'; from there. Getting to and from Station Square? Heinz field? Does the airport flyer have a stop close?





    Angie



    Hilton..getting around


    The T is basically right across the street, and you can ride it to Station Square. It%26#39;s not a bad walk either. The Airport Flyer stops right at the Hilton. And you%26#39;ll have no trouble walking to Heinz Field - just follow the crowds!



    Hilton..getting around


    Thanks! The Hilton location is sounding better and better to me..Will there be someone at the airport that can give me the exact intersection to get off for the Hilton?





    Angie




    You can%26#39;t miss it - you come through a tunnel and then onto a bridge and the city is in front of you. It%26#39;s a dramatic ';entrance.'; Look straight ahead, slightly to your left, and the hotel will be facing you and says ';Pittsburgh Hilton';

    Budget hotel/hostel

    Any suggestion for a budget hotel in a safe area, as closer as possible to city center?



    Budget hotel/hostel


    How much are you willing to spend a night?



    Lynn



    Budget hotel/hostel


    here is a link to a youth hostel, I don%26#39;t have any experience with it though





    http://www.bankstreethostel.com/




    $90 to $110 / night




    If you are willing to use hotwire.com you might get a room in Center City, depending on the dates of your stay. Hotwire is very reliable, but you can%26#39;t cancel once you%26#39;ve booked.



    Lynn




    You may be able to get something in that range on either Hotwire or Priceline. If you%26#39;d like to give me your dates of travel in Philly, I am more than willing to help you find something.





    Suzanne

    Cab near Pat's/Geno's

    We will be visiting Philadelphia in about a week. We plan on doing the CheeseSteak Pilgrimage to Pat%26#39;s and Geno%26#39;s. I know I can catch a cab from my hotel to there, but my question is - can I catch one from that corner easily? We%26#39;re staying in Old City, so I guess we could technically walk. But, I%26#39;d rather cab it back to the hotel to save time.





    Any advice?



    Cab near Pat's/Geno's


    There is a 50-50 chance you can catch one from there, but do yourself a favor and go somewhere else (like Jim%26#39;s or Campo%26#39;s, or even Tony Luke%26#39;s) to get a _good_ cheesesteak. If you are in Old City, Campo%26#39;s, 2nd %26amp; Market, or Jim%26#39;s, 4th %26amp; South are easy walking distance. Tony Luke%26#39;s (Front %26amp; Oregon) will give you more of the Pat%26#39;s/Geno%26#39;s experience (ordering and eating outside, standing up (there are some seats)), but with good food. Getting back from there could be tricky, OTOH, if you go at mealtime, you may be able to convince your cab driver to wait for you by buying him a sandwhich.


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  • bike trails

    Are there any other bike trails, other than the nice one around Presque Isle? We are doing an overnight trip and would like to find another place to bike. Anywhere south of Erie toward Pittsburgh would be fine to know about too. Thanks for any help.



    bike trails


    There are nice bike trails along the Allegheny River in Franklin, PA and Sandy Creek in Frankin as well.



    There are also bike trails in the Drake Well area, which I believe is in Oil Creek State Park.



    bike trails


    Found a good link for info for the trails previously mentioned -http://www.avta-trails.org/trails.html





    These are very nice areas to bicycle. If link does not work, search Allegheny River Bicycle and hopefully you can find useful info.

    Hotels

    What are some good hotels that have free parking and priced at around $90-100 a night?



    Hotels


    It%26#39;s hard to tell what your needs are from your question, but you will not need a car during a visit to Philadelphia unless you plan on seeing some of the outlying sites, such as Valley Forge. Even then it makes sense to just rent a car for the day.



    Hotels


    Also, when are you planning to visit? Rates can vary widely depending on time of year. For those rate levels, hotwire may be your best option.

    mendenhall inn.....brunch

    My MIL wants to go to Mother%26#39;s Day brunch at Mendenhall Inn. At $38pp it seems pricey to me. Is it worth it? Or would we be better off having brunch at Longwood Gardens..which is where we are going after brunch?





    mendenhall inn.....brunch


    Just had brunch there yesterday - couldn%26#39;t be any better! Can%26#39;t deny it%26#39;s pricey but your MIL probably deserves it!



    mendenhall inn.....brunch


    You should visit http://finefoodandfun.com/





    Their ';dollar store'; (http://www.finefoodandfun.com/dollarstore.htm) offers ';dollars'; (gift certificates) at half the price. For example, you can buy a $25.00 certificate for only $12.50. And the full amount ($25.00) will be honored at the restaurant. The Mendenhall Inn is part of this offer.




    Its seems to be profitable if you plan your trip to Longwood Gardens. I had been there on last Christmas and its a wonderful place for enjoyment.





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    Marriott Plymouth Meeting

    Has anyone been there recently? What are your reviews of it?



    Marriott Plymouth Meeting


    If you haven%26#39;t already seen them, there are 5 reviews of this hotel on Trip Advisor from early February through August 4, 2008.



    Marriott Plymouth Meeting


    The one in (West) Conshohocken is probably better and is closer to City Line.

    Frequent Hershey Park visitors for 2009

    If you are planning to visit Hershey Park frequently in 2009, you might want to consider purchasing a season pass. The information on passes for 2009 is out. A HersheyPark pass for ages 3+ for 2009 is $120.00 if purchased before the end of September, 2008. A Gold Pass, which includes Dutch Wonderland, is $160.00 if purchased before the end of September, 2008. If you plan to visit HersheyPark more than 2 times, you will pay for the pass in admission savings, parking, and the discounts that the pass affords you. The added benefits to having a season pass are free parking, discounts on food and merchandise, etc. (all the benefits are listed on the website to follow).





    www.hersheypark.com/tickets/season_passes.php





    Just something to consider for frequent visitors to save you some money.





    Frequent Hershey Park visitors for 2009


    Thanks FlyEagle!


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  • Swatara Creek Water Trail

    I hope that some local experts are around! We%26#39;re planning a short kayaking trip on the Swatara this week. The water trail map marks the Clifton Covered Bridge access (just north of 283 and south of Indian Echo) as a work in progress. Is this access point completed? I%26#39;d love to know before we drive out there with kayaks loaded and ready to go, as the next marked access point is past a dam. Any help you can give me would be great. Thanks!



    Swatara Creek Water Trail


    I pretty sure that the ';project'; part is the restoration of the Clifton Covered Bridge. The boat access is not affected in my understanding. What day are you going? If you can wait until Sunday night to find out, I will check on my way down 283 late Sunday afternoon since it%26#39;s not a big detour for me and let you know tomorrow night. We are talking about doing some canoeing and kayaking in that area late summer.



    Swatara Creek Water Trail


    Thanks so much for your reply! It was so beautiful today we put the boats on the car and decided to check it out. The access at Clifton is a great take-out. We put in at the Hummelstown Nature Trail--a little steep, but doable--and had about a two hour trip to Clifton. It was gorgeous, and it%26#39;s only 3 miles on the road from put in to take out. The water was a little low in some spots, though.




    lol! You ended up providing me with info. Sounds like you had a nice time. The Swatara is one of those creeks that can be low, then high, then back low again in a matter of days. July and August are usually fairly low. I sometimes use a sit on kayak on some of the streams this time of year. It%26#39;s just easier to get off and drag it a little ways if needed.

    HELP with a location????

    HI, was wondering if someone who knew the area well could suggest a hotel close to a place called the Trocardo (its 1003 arch st)? Will be attending a concert there and need a cheapo hotel for the night. So far looks like the Hampton Inn is the closest that%26#39;s cheap. (125.00) Anyone know if this is walking distance? Is it a safe walk for 2 females late at night? Or maybe other hotel options? Any suggestions would be appreciated THANKS!!



    HELP with a location????


    If the wind is right, you could spit and hit one from the other. Hotels don%26#39;t get any closer. The area is as safe as you get in a big city, so the usual cautions apply. It is in Chinatown, so there%26#39;s usually a fair amount of activity. BTW, the Trocadero is not exactly, ummm, how can I say this... fancy. Okay, it%26#39;s a hole. Dress casual. Very casual.



    HELP with a location????


    Thanks owlyn!! LOL I didn%26#39;t expect it to be fancy considering the band I am seeing, but good black metal bands don%26#39;t tour the US to often. So will suck it up be grungy!! Thanks for the info!!

    Lodging suggestions NEEDED for JThorpe area w/outside pool!

    Wanna stay near to or in JThorpe,to do thewhitewater rafting down the Lehigh Valley.NEED lodging suggestions for the area in or near to JThorpe, i.e. within 20mins or so; BUT the Hotel/ or Motel NEEDS to have an OUTDOOR POOL!!!!!!!!!!!any suggestions for resteraunts also welcome from foodie/trip advisors. also, things to do would behelpful. Never been ther, we r 2 late 30%26#39;s w/NO KIDS. thanx! Going next week.

    hotel help

    i could use hotel suggestions for the dunmore, daleville moscow area



    hotel help


    I think the Holiday Inn East in Dunmore would be a safe bet and it is close to Moscow/Daleville. If you%26#39;re looking for something a little nicer try the Radisson http://www.radisson.com/scrantonpa or Hilton in Scranton. The Radisson is in a renovated historic train station.





    Tim



    hotel help


    There is also a nice Fairfield Inn by Marriott in Dickson City just off I-81

    how do i join

    We went years ago with friend that have a place there. We kinow want to have out own place. How do we get a membership? Thanks ~Adina~





    how do i join


    Hi Adina, Join what? What are you talking about?



    how do i join


    I am trying to get a membership for the camp ground CIRCLE M. We loved it there years ago. I am not sure who to call and $$$$$ of it now.I called one place but it was the wrong camp ground. Circle M is the one that is open all year around and that would be great for the kids.Thanks ~Adina~




    This link may help:





    padutchcountry.com/member_pages/OutdoorWorld…




    Thank you I will call them. Could u tell me is thia a time share ot can I buy my own lot. I do not have a camper yet but we are planning on buying on as soon as we find a camp site we like.




    We went years ago with friend that have a place there. We kinow want to have out own place. How do we get a membership? Thanks ~Adina~






    This property is next to the Conestoga river between Millersville %26amp; New Danville (SW of Lancaster city).





    It was formerly the Circle M but now is Outdoor World. To the best of my knowledge it is timeshare only... may be possible to rent but not buy a campground lot outright.





    There are many other campgrounds in Lancaster county that are not timeshare operated.




    Thank You I will check that out !!!!!!!!!!!

    i loved that campground, does anybody remember kim beanner?

    does anyone remember maryjo perry?



    i loved that campground, does anybody remember kim beanner?


    Yes. My name is Billy Kimmel and my family had a permanent site at Cutty%26#39;s for 14 years. I am trying to start an Allumni website for that time period at Cutty%26#39;s. If you have any contact for Kim please send it to me at billy@billykimmel.com


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  • Living Treasures Animal Park

    We are starting to plan a car trip to Sesame Place, and will be driving past Living Treasures Animal Park. I was wondering if anyone has gone there, and if they liked it or not. Thanks!





    Living Treasures Animal Park


    I live about 30 minutes from this park - Living Treasures and personally I don%26#39;t care for it. I took my daughter who is now 7 there once when she was 2. I didn%26#39;t think it was that clean and all the statistics you read about the sicknesses carried via petting zoos...well this is just what it reminded me of.



    Living Treasures Animal Park


    We visited the Living Treasures Animal Park, New Castle, PA location today - August 10, 2008. We used a BOGO coupon from the Entertainment book and bought a bag of carrot to feed the animals. So for $10 and only being 40 mins from our home it was a nice short day trip for inbetween my 16 mos old son%26#39;s naps! He loved the animals and getting up close to some of them in the petting zoo area.



    They have a camel ride that looked fun - we%26#39;d didn%26#39;t try this time. I don%26#39;t know if I would waste my money on the wagon ride - it looked like it just went on the outside perimeter of the park and you could really see the same stuff from the inside park - other than perhaps the ostrich, which looked like they came up to the wagon...



    Gift store was cute - but, only one clerk to check you out and it%26#39;s the same clerk who is selling admission tickets - so somewhat long line.





    We will probably go again next year - good for toddlers to probably age 5 or 6. I wouldn%26#39;t drive far this park however, it is really a 1 to 1 1/2 hour park... not a ton to see...





    the park had the obvious animal smell - the bathrooms were very lame - dirty and in need of some maintenance. Quite a few hand saniters place throughout the park and a hand washing area before you leave.

    Hi. need some help planning a trip..

    Hi all. I%26#39;m planning a trip to Philly for a few days in late August. We were suppossed to go to Hersheypark but my daughter broke her collarbone. Anyway, we%26#39;ve decided on Philly b/c we went there for the first time last year and LOVED it. Some of you were so helpful last year steering me in the right direction so I thought I%26#39;d ask again, lol. Westayed at the Hyatt in Penn%26#39;s Landing last time and thought it was a great location-we walked all over the historic district and did a bunch of touristy things. This time I would like to go to the zoo, the mint and maybe a museum? Should I stick with the Hyatt(i can hotwire a pretty good rate for that or the Society Hill Sheraton-another great location) or try for something more in the city? Is there transportation to the zoo? We would have a car but love jsut being able to walk everywhere. Ok, sorry for thre book, lol. Thanks in advance for any help.



    Hi. need some help planning a trip..


    The Hyatt will be just fine... There%26#39;s a zoo shuttle from 6th and market for $2 per person..





    …philadelphiazoo.org/zoo/Visit-The-Zoo/Direc…





    The mint will be walking distance, and you can take the Phlash to most museums...



    Hi. need some help planning a trip..


    I agree. If you can get a good rate, there%26#39;s no compelling reason to change. If you decide to do something different, choose a hotel in the Rittenhouse Square area rather than near the Convention Center, as Rittenhouse does have a very different vibe than the historic district and has a livelier and more upscale feeling than the area around the Convention Center.




    Hi. Thanks for the info. I have another question. On Hotwire, the areas are identified as Old Towne/Penn%26#39;s Landing, Center City East and center City west. Are they all within walking distance? Where would Rittenhouse Sq be? If I can%26#39;t get the Hyatt or Sheraton Society Hill, where would be my better bet? Thanks!




    Center City East.



    Lynn




    Just an FYI or two...





    Hotwire has things wrong. East and west are reversed, and they call ';Old City'; ';Old Towne';. So, while the Rittenhouse Square area is actually in Center City West, Hotwire has it as East.





    The mint does not allow anything to be brought inside. No cameras, no cell phones, etc. And there is no place to check the items while you go in, so typically one member of a party is left to wait outside with the ';stuff';.





    You can take the #38 bus from 5th %26amp; Market to the zoo. $2.00/person each way.




    Thanks for the heads up about Hotwire. I%26#39;m going to wait a bit on booking something b/c it%26#39;s non-refundable and I want to make sure my daughter is up to the trip. So, I %26#39;ll look for Center City West or Old Towne, right? Cool, thanks. Any restaurant recommendations? Nothing too fancy, mid-priced and casual.




    Depends on what you define as Mid-Priced. I like the Melting Pot for a fun upscale casual meal (fondue), but there are hundreds of options.. Any particular food type?




    You should look at Center City East and Old Town/Penn%26#39;s Landing. I think we confused you by trying to clarify Hotwire%26#39;s peculiar classifications. Once you%26#39;re ready to purchase, let us know the star rating and amenities, and someone can pinpoint which hotel it is.




    The problem with Hotwire%26#39;s designations is that they don%26#39;t go by what is locally used. Here, Center City East means east of Broad Street and Center City West means west of Broad Street. Hotwire has Center City East going as far west as 20th Street, and Center City West going into West Philadelphia.



    Hotwire has a map showing the territory covered by each designation. You%26#39;ll find it under the ammenities listed for each hotel.



    Lynn

    Hotel near downtown

    I am doing a girls weekend away to Hershey in October and was hoping someone can recommend a hotel in a central location.





    We are planning on a doing a whole spa day at Hershey Spa, doing some outlet shopping and exploring downtown Hershey.





    We thought about Hotel Hershey but we dont want to spend $400 per night and we also thought about Hershey Lodge but I have heard the place can be over ran with kids andis overpriced. Is that true?





    We are looking for a nice hotel within a 15 minute drive to the spa and outlets and we dont want to spend more then $260 per night per room. Any suggestions?



    Hotel near downtown


    Here are a few places we were considering what would be our best bet.





    1. Hershey Lodge



    2. Springhill Suites



    3. Suites at Hershey



    Hotel near downtown


    All three are within 15 minutes. In the ratings on this forum they come in as Hershey Lodge #7 out of 20, Springhill Suites #2 out of 20 and Suites at Hershey gets the #1 out of 20 rating. Scroll up to Hershey Hotels in the left column of this forum (light green on your left) click on it and you can read comments from people who stayed at each.





    Yes, the Hershey Lodge can have many children visiting but it is a large property. Depending when you are going, Hershey Park in the Dark might mean lots of families.





    Springhill Suites is a couple of miles out of town on Rt 39 beside the Antique Auto Museum.





    The Suites at Hershey is a timeshare property owned by BlueGreen. They rent excess rooms. I haven%26#39;t heard anyone say anything about them strong arming people into going to a timeshare presentation so that shouldn%26#39;t be a problem. You can literally walk to the outlets because they are right across the road. Hotel Hershey is less than a mile away and you can see it from the Suites (the trees around it anyway). The suites are right in back of downtown though few people realize it and you are also about a mile away (because of the streets you need to take to get under the railroad tracks). There is a railroad track not far from the property with a few trains that take materials to and from the real chocolate factories. Mostly weekdays.





    Another option would be the Hilton Gardens in Hershey which puts you about 3 miles away from the Hotel Hershey and the Outlets.




    I am planning a girls weekend in late September. I made reservations at Hershey Lodge, but after reading reviews and the price, I have cancelled the Hershey Lodge.





    We are opting to stay at the Hampton Inn %26amp; Suites, we stayed there last year in May 2007 (see my review from then). Rooms are spacious and they had a mini-refrig and microwave. Quite part of downtown Hershey, the parking lots borders some golf course, Houlihan%26#39;s restaurant (chain restaurant) just down the street. Front desk helpful in suggesting places to eat.





    Just a short dirve over to the outlet shops, and Hershey Spa.





    This time we are looking to find a piece of Reese%26#39;s Peanut Butter pie. We plan on eating at Houlihan%26#39;s and possibly The Fountain Cafe at the Hotel Hershey. And we plan on enjoying our SPA treatments.




    I would also recommend taking a look at the Residence Inn off of Rt 322. We stayed there when we first moved to the area and it is very nice and gives you some extra space, bathrooms and bedrooms. There is also a Comfort Inn and Suites in Grantville that would offer similar space. I%26#39;ve not been there myself.



    Otherwise, any of the hotels mentioned are a good choice.



    Whichever person who mentioned the Peanut Butter Pie at the Hotel Hershey is right on the money. Absolutely delicious!!!

    colonial/revolutionary america themed vacation help

    Hi. I posted this on another forum, so hopefully I鈥檒l hear back from someone! :-P My family is doing a one week vacation next summer. I have two boys, one will be 12 and the other 8. My wife and I decided to do a Colonial America themed trip because our oldest will be learning some american history in the upcoming school year. We have 9 days, traveling from New Hampshire. We want to hit Philadelphia, Washington, and Williamsburg.





    We are going to make an entire year out of the theme, visiting Minuteman National Historical Park (Lexington and Concord) on Patriot鈥檚 Day in April, and in June, visit Bunker Hill and walk the Freedom Trail in Boston...see Boston Tea Party, Old North Church, Paul Revere House, Faneuil Hall/Quincy Market, graves of revolutionaries...etc. I love colonial and revolutionary american history, so I have brought my boys up with the same passion. Not too worried about them being bored with all the history involved. We do the Lexington Green battle reenactment every year. I figured if they get tired of the 1770s, we%26#39;ll end the trip with Busch Gardens. So far we have come up with this itinerary:



    DAY



    1: Drive to Philadelphia



    2. Philadelphia - Independence National Historical Park (Visitor Center/Independence Hall/Liberty Bell/ National Constitution Center/Ben Franklin Grave)



    3. Valley Forge National Historical Site; drive to DC



    4. Washington - White House (outside view), National Mall (Washington/Lincoln/Jefferson/war memorials鈥tc), US Capitol Building and the new visitor center, tour



    5. Washington - National Archives (Charters of Freedom), National Museum of American History; maybe an hour at the end of the day seeing the most significant items at the National Air %26amp; Space Museum



    6. Mount Vernon in the morning (3 hours enough?), then head to Colonial National Historical Park, primarily to see Yorktown for a few hours in the afternoon鈥?google maps says 2.5 hours away from Vernon, so I rounded to 3 hours to be safe, should be in Yorktown by 3:00? Closes at 5:00, so this is my biggest concern if we鈥檒l have enough time there. If the visitor center closes at 5:00, can we still drive around into the evening? Someone let me know how I can make this day worth it for both places, because I would like to take part in the siege walking tour. I would like to spend atleast 3 hours at each.



    7. Colonial Williamsburg



    8. Busch Gardens Williamsburg



    9. LONG drive back over Chesapeake Bay Bridge to home in New Hampshire





    Thanks in advance for you help! Cheers鈥ike



    colonial/revolutionary america themed vacation help


    Quick thoughts, thats a little ambitious, but doable.. Your missing some stuff in Philly but hitting the main things. Pre-order your independence



    hall tix on line to make sure you get an early time.





    Day 4 in washington is light, but you%26#39;ll need the rest. Can%26#39;t speak to day 6.



    colonial/revolutionary america themed vacation help


    I%26#39;m a Philly native and have taken plenty of out-of-town friends on tours of the city, especially the little known and less touristy parts.





    I agree with the other poster in regards to ordering tix in advance. Not that long ago, there was never a line to get into Independence Hall or to really see the Liberty Bell. That has all changed.





    In June, I took my gf%26#39;s mother and friend (both native NYers who%26#39;d never been to Philly proper) on my ';Taste of Philly'; walking and driving tour.





    The wait to get into the State House (aka Independence Hall) was 3 hours. The line snaked around and around. The wait for the Liberty Bell was at least an hour. I miss the old glass pavilion it was housed it. I%26#39;d have my friends put their noses up to the glass is there were more than a dozen people in line to get in.





    Read up on the Bell, it had little to nothing to do with Independence. Once you know the ';story'; you might elect to avoid it all together other than just to say you saw it.





    Don%26#39;t forget Betsy Ross%26#39;s house a couple blocks away to the north. Ben Franlin%26#39;s House, post office and print shop are on 3rd and Market. Be sure to go to the underground museum circa 1976 and ';talk'; to dead presidents!





    I recommend visiting the nationally acclaimed Franklin Fountain for some non-colonial homemade turn-of-the-century ice cream at 2nd and Market. Independence MALL is at 5 and Market.





    For cheesesteaks, try Campo%26#39;s right on Market between 2nd and 3rd. Quality steaks and they are on South Philly seeded rolls. I recommend that you stay away from Jim;s on South St. And, it%26#39;s not worth going to South Philly to try Pat%26#39;s or Geno%26#39;s. It%26#39;s easy to get lost going there and the neighborhood can be rough. If you do decide to go to Pat%26#39;s and Geno%26#39;s, take a cab (don%26#39;t have them wait for you after the drop you off!!!) and order one steak from Pat%26#39;s and then cross the street to Geno%26#39;s and order one there. Eat them side by side. Then hail another cab and have them take you straight up 9th Street through the Italian (and now ';Mexican';) Market. You%26#39;ll see the same street scenes in the original Rocky movie.





    If you do the Rocky steps, take a cab there. At the top you%26#39;ll find Rocky%26#39;s bronzed footprints and a statue at the bottom of the steps to the left.





    Philly is as walkable as Boston, which is where I%26#39;m headed to next week in fact.





    Elfreth%26#39;s Alley is the oldest residential street in the US and is usually a quaint starting point for any of my homemade tours. It%26#39;s in the shadow of the Ben Franklin Bridge, too!





    Visit Washington Sq which is 1/2 a block behind Independence Hall. There%26#39;s a statue of Washington and it%26#39;s the burial ground for a number of Revolutionary soldiers and the grave of the Unknown.





    From NH to Philly, it%26#39;s about 6 hours. Leave early enough and you can get a lot of the little things I mentioned done the first day and leave the 2nd day for the bigger items: Independence National Historical Park -- Visitor Center/Independence Hall/Liberty Bell/ National Constitution Center (which is all part of the same thing), Ben franlin%26#39;s House. His grave is a few blocks away.





    Betsy Ross%26#39; house takes about 15 minutes to run through it. There are colonial dressed actors out front in the courtyard. I think they are more entertaining than the house itself which may or may not have been the actual house she lived in! SHHHH! Don%26#39;t tell anyone that.





    I%26#39;d check out the Quaker Meeting House that is on the grounds of the Independence National Historical Park (northeast corner). There is usually a really good actor there in a rocking chair who is a real present day Quaker.





    A block or 2 north is something very uncolonial... the US Mint.





    I%26#39;d visit Christ%26#39;s Church on 2nd above Market where Washington prayed, Carpenter%26#39;s Hall and Tun Tavern, which no longer stands, Carpenter%26#39;s Hall is traditionally held as the place where the Marine Corps was founded. The 2nd National Bank is worth a visit, as well.





    Valley Forge is really a half day trip, at best. Give yourself about 30 to 45 minutes to get there on I76 with light to medium traffic. I haven%26#39;t been there in years, but have heard there are a lot of improvements. The log cabins are neat, especially for kids. They may have colonial actors there now. One of the largest malls on the East Coast is a stone%26#39;s throw from VF, King of Prussia Mall.





    Down aways from VF and KofP Mall is the Battle of Brandywine site just north of the Delaware border.





    Just off 95 in DE near the very last exit before Maryland is the site of the only Rev. War battle fought in DE, Cooch%26#39;s Bridge. If you want to visit a site, I%26#39;d go with Brandywine. It%26#39;s huge part of the larger Chadds Ford/Brandywine Valley area. Cooch%26#39;s Bridge is hard to access with the traffic and you%26#39;d miss it if you blinked.





    The Battle of Germantown took place about 6 miles from Independence Hall. It%26#39;s within Philadelphia and very quaint and not a site most people visit. A little off the beaten path, but not as much as Cooch%26#39;s Bridge.





    The trip to DC will take you 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours depending upon traffic. The Valley Forge area can be EXTREMELY congested near and during rush hour, especially on I76. I95 South shouldn%26#39;t be a problem (watch for PA State Troopers near the Philly airport and in DE near Newark by the MD border) until you get between Balto and DC. The Beltway can be murder at rush hour, as well.





    You may find you%26#39;ll need more than 1 1/2 days in Philly after all.





    Have fun!




    You should really visit Washington Crossing PA/NJ. It%26#39;s a little less than an hour north of the city and is at the very least as interetsting as Valley Forge. You can hit it on you way in by getting off the NJT at Exit 7, and take I-195 West to NJ-29 North. It%26#39;s about a 30 minute ride from Exit 7. You can park on the PA or NJ side and walk across the bridge. The PA side is more interesting, IMO.





    Also, IMO, you are doing yourselves a disservice by not spending more time in DC. While it has nothing to do with Colonial America, there is so much to see there. When you visit the Vietnam War Memorial, bring tissues. Get to The National Archives first thing in the morning- before they open. The line gets very, very long, and it is really the one thing in your entire tour that should not be missed. You will wish you spent more time at the Air %26amp; Space Museum, though.





    Also, keep in mind that Colonial Williamsburg is a re-creation, not the real thing.




    Bobbyjack - welcome to the Philly forum. Great post!




    Many locations along the East Coast have sites from the Revolutionary War, but only Philadelphia (and more broadly Pennsylvania) is the place where our country%26#39;s foundation was laid. My advice to you while in Philly is to skip sites that have to do only with the War and focus on establishment of US government, particularly the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. What many people don%26#39;t realize is how much our civil liberties were inspired by the laws of William Penn. The National Park focuses on the narrow span of years of the Revolutionary War and does not get into early Philly history.



    By the way, the ';fighting'; Quaker Meetinghouse is a neat stop but has little significance to the establishment of the nation. You%26#39;d learn more at either the Atwater Kent Museum or the Arch Street Meetinghouse at 4th and Arch. (This is still an active Friends Meeting.)



    Also, if you want to see another extraordinary aspect of Colonial Philly, tour the Old Philadelphia Congregations. These sites are still active religious communities with Colonial or Federalist Era roots. They are witness to the diversity that resulted from the tolerence here. Even if you don%26#39;t visit the sites, I recommend the website holyexperiment.org.



    With regard to the Liberty Bell, I agree that with limited time I%26#39;d skip it in favor of Franklin Court. Also, I%26#39;d skip the Betsy Ross House (more lore than history) in favor of Elfreths Alley, a more expansive look at the homes of the Colonial working class.



    If you were going to spend more time here I%26#39;d say take half a day to tour Cliveden, where the Battle of Germantown was fought. The home, with furnishings, documents, paintings, etc., was given to the National Trust in 1972 after being in the same family almost continuously since the Colonial Era. Incredibly comprehensive tour.



    Lynn




    Mike



    If you haven%26#39;t already, take a look at ushistory.org. This is, IMO, the best website for planning a visit to Philly.



    Lynn


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  • Already booked thru Priceline - Wyndham - Terrible reviews

    So here I am....booking for the first time through Priceline.com and received a great price for the Wyndham, near Oakland. I was excited until read the reviews on the Wyndham and now I%26#39;m second-guessing my decision to bid lower and not downtown.





    We%26#39;re in town for four days - six of us, including children - and I guess I%26#39;m thinking we should be sure to stay busy and only sleep in the hotel.





    Did I have a question, you might be wondering. (?) I guess I just wanted some sympathy and someone to ease my mind (and stomach) about my decision. :-)



    Already booked thru Priceline - Wyndham - Terrible reviews


    I stayed in the Wyndham a couple times in 2006 when I visited the area. It seemed fine to me. Staff was friendly and the rooms were fine.





    The Oakland area isn%26#39;t too aesthetically pleasing, but its safe and there is a lot going on in that neighborhood as its basically the campus for the U. of Pittsburgh.



    Already booked thru Priceline - Wyndham - Terrible reviews


    My daughter attends PITT and we have stayed at the Wyndham a few times, and we never had any problems. The staff is nice and they offer a shuttle that will take you around Pittsburgh. It is a typical motel/small hotel. The area isn%26#39;t great but my daughter lives a few blocks away and has never had any problem. We stay there every time we visit my daughter. We have tried a few other hotels, and as they are all around the same this, is the most convenient one. You will be fine there.




    I think you%26#39;ll be surprised - the Wyndham is relatively new and the public areas are very nice. A friend from LA stayed here for a Steelers game last year and was pleased. Oakland is a college town with a huge employer (hospital system) based here, so you%26#39;ll see a lot of people. You%26#39;ll be safe in that area. Downtown is the business area, so it%26#39;s busy M-F, but not exciting on the weekend. For kids, Oakland is great for walking to the Carnegie Museum (depending on when you come, the acclaimed Carnegie Internationale might still be going on) -definitely check out the re-opened Dinosaur area. Otherwise, you%26#39;ll need a car (and Oakland parking will be slightly cheaper than Downtown!).

    Pittsburgh- Visiting in Early December

    Any ideas for a girl%26#39;s get away weekend in early December?



    Shopping, restaurants, and a nice place to stay downtown would be included in our criteria.



    Pittsburgh- Visiting in Early December


    Pittsburgh has several interesting shopping areas: Shadyside on Walnut Street and Ellsworth Avenue, and Squirrel Hill, are both nice, upscale with mostly independent stores but some chains. Carson Street on the South Side is funky, more bars and restaurants than shops, but still worth a stroll. South Side Works is an upscale outdoor mall. Lawrenceville is very funky, but again worth a stroll. The Strip is a must if you%26#39;re there on a Saturday - it%26#39;s Pittsburgh%26#39;s market district. Downtown has a big Macy%26#39;s and Saks, but not much else.



    As for restaurants - we%26#39;ve got a lot of them! If you give some idea of your tastes and price range, I can make some suggestions.



    Pittsburgh- Visiting in Early December


    Considering that none of the great shopping is Downtown (well, we have a huge Macy%26#39;s and a small Sak%26#39;s), you might consider getting a hotel or B%26amp;B closer to your shopping destination. Shadyside is nice, upscale, but will only take about half of your Saturday - I actually prefer Shadyside for their excellent restaurants! Squirrel Hill is close to Shadyside. If you like malls, Nordstrom will be opening in Ross Park (N. Pgh suburb) in November.



    Restaurants: definitely consider Southside for the variety and funky atmosphere. ';Interesting'; shopping here.

    Trip Report: July 17-20, 2008

    Just a few notes on our trip before I begin the full blown trip report below. First, the weekend we were there it was hot, hot, hot, not to mention very sticky and humid, and of course, hot. Next, we’d been to Pittsburgh once before many years ago but stayed in the ‘burbs. Back then we “did” an incline and some of the South Shore, but didn’t get as much of a feel for the city as we did staying downtown this time around. Pittsburgh reminds me of a mini-Manhattan but instead of the Hudson and East Rivers, there is the Allegheny and Monongahela, (and instead of new Jersey and Brooklyn/Queens, there are green mountains rising up around the valley of the city – very nice!) Another thing that struck me was the number of southern accents I heard. But when I looked on the map and saw the proximity to W. Virginia and southern Ohio, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. It just seems to me that living in Western New York, I’m not that close to the South – but I am apparently closer than I think!



    Trip Report: July 17-20, 2008


    Thursday afternoon/evening. On our trip down I-79 to Pittsburgh, we had to stop in order to switch drivers. We chose an exit to “Zelienople” to make the switch. Not sure how to pronounce this (?) but we found Zelienople amusing in more ways than one. First, there was no simple off ramp/on ramp to get back on I-79 heading south, so we had to follow a circuitous route around the town. The evening we were there, the town was holding some kind of outdoor fete, complete with carnival food and a fire truck. Everyone seemed to be out and walking about, enjoying the warm weather and the festivities. The small Pennsylvania town and the outdoor event reminded me of one of my favorite movies, “Groundhog Day,” except here it was summer time. DH said he could imagine starting a new life in that small town – it was very quaint.





    We reached Pittsburgh by 8:00pm, and checked into the Renaissance. Nice hotel, but the noisy, rattling door to our room was a nuisance. (We were afraid when it first happened that someone was trying to enter our room, but we got used to it eventually…)





    It was now time to search out a meal, and we walked up Penn Ave to August Henry’s, a relaxed, pub type restaurant and bar. DH had crab cakes and I had crab stuffed mushrooms – both were delicious! For entrees, DH had a hearty and tasty hamburger, while I had chicken on salad greens. Loved the chicken! I don’t know how they did it, but it had a light and non-greasy coating of sweet potato, yum. Walked back to the hotel, and enjoyed the architecture of Penn Ave. What a variety of late 19th century mini-skyscrapers, each unique and beautiful!





    Friday morning, late. Went down to the lobby, the wine bar to be exact, to help ourselves to coffee. Great start to the day, as this coffee was the *best*. Realized that one of the reasons for coming to Pittsburgh, to see the Allegheny County Courthouse, was going to be difficult as I did not bother to bring the address! I did have the phone number to the Pittsburgh History and Landmarks Foundation, so I figured they could help me find this rather biggie landmark. The woman on the phone was indeed helpful, and I asked if there happened to be any walking tours that weekend. I was informed that one was about to start at noon (it was 11:40am) at Penn and 7th St, one block away, perfect! It was a free, one-hour tour and I saw more of the “Cultural District” we were staying in and learned a bit about the city. Pittsburgh has a wonderful asset with its History and Landmarks Foundation. The Foundation actually purchases historic buildings which are in distress and threatened with demolition (or demolition by neglect) and brings them back to life! There is nothing like an historic building, and once they are gone they will *never* be replaced. Historic buildings are not replicable – contemporary styles, materials, and workmanship are different today, (I’m not suggesting today’s architecture is inferior, it’s just different.) Also, it makes sense to reuse materials – like those in an existing structure – than to waste energy demolishing the thing and dumping its remains in our plentiful landfill space. OK… stepping off my soapbox now. Whew.





    After the 1-hour tour, I went to fetch DH back at the air conditioned hotel. Did I mention how HOT is was outside? After a quick meal at the PPG Place, we walked to the Allegheny County Courthouse. I left DH in the lovely courtyard, and ventured into the security station. The guard was super nice. After carefully checking my camera and camera bag, he kindly gave me directions into the building and advised me that people come from all over to see the grand staircase. It was a beautiful site to behold! The various stone and materials were in perfect condition, like new. Really amazing for such an old building. I loved how well the space is used – probably in much the same way as when it was first built, except with more electricity and other technological amenities.





    On the walk back to the hotel, we passed Macys/Kaufmanns. I was glad to see they hadn’t completely removed the Kaufmann’s name from the store. Sad that there are no local department stores like there used to be! Everything is big, national (or multi-national) and corporate these days...





    At around 5:00pm we had an easy walk across the Andy Warhol Bridge to the Andy Warhol Museum. On Friday nights, they have half price admission, which I highly recommend. I was surprised there weren’t more people in the museum! Plus, the place looked like it was run by teenagers, weird!? We were slightly disappointed with the collection and the curating. No mention of the silk screen process that Warhol was a master of. Also, there were cases chock full of letters and other personal Warhol memorabilia that looked literally like they were thrown together – so much material and no good way to organize it (it looked like they didn’t even try.) I did like the silver balloon room, and the small exhibit of early to late Piet Mondrian paintings on the top floor, and many of the pieces by Kaino.





    After the Andy Warhol Museum, we walked to the Carnegie Museum of Science to see the Omni Max movie “Pulse: A Stomp Odyssey.” Even thought we have an Omni theater back home, it always seems like a good thing to do out of town. Not sure why that is? Anyway, the film was super enjoyable, and proved propitious for the future of our trip. The film featured various drum and dance groups from around the world. A highlight for me was a beautiful Spanish dancer named Eva, I think, dancing on a roof top with a band of guitarists, etc. Loved it.





    On the way back to the bridge to our hotel, we stopped at Jerome Bettis Grille 36. Surprisingly delicious food for a sports bar with party atmosphere owned by a former football player. I had the Citrus Salmon Salad and DH had the Grid Iron Steak. I highly recommend this place for a meal. After dinner, we walked back to the hotel exhausted from all our walking and suffering the heat and humidity.





    Saturday. Another late start. This time we were sick of walking and decided to brave the notoriously difficult Pittsburgh streets in an automobile. Got the car out of the garage and headed east to the Strip District. Walked around with a ton of other people and window shopped for a while. Really impressive collection of goods and people. Almost ate at Primanti Bros, but the crowds and noise drove us away. Did enjoy the cover band they had playing outside. Ended up at Roland’s for lunch. Not bad, and it was fairly crowded, too. Drove back to the hotel, (uneventful ride both ways, managed not to get lost), and DH decided to rest. I drove myself to the nearby National Aviary for a look at the birdies. Nice place, but smaller than I had expected. When I got home, realized that my local zoo membership could have gotten me into the Aviary for free, oh well. Glad to donate money towards the animals in any case. As I was low on gasoline, thought now would be a good time to fill up. Asked at the Aviary about a gas station, and was told to follow the road around a couple of lights till I see one in the distance. I must have followed the road around the wrong way, because I ended up at interstate on-ramps (which I avoided like the plague) and then on a one-way narrow little residential street in the ‘hood. I’m lost and a little panicky, since I’m running on fumes by now. I managed to get turned around onto another one-way street and found my way back to the Aviary. Now I followed the street around in the other direction, and did see a gas station in the distance. Very odd street/bridge situation, but I made it to the station. Gas was only $3.99, which was a lot better than the $4.26 I was paying around here. Whoever thought I’d be happy to pay $3.99 for gasoline? Yey! Then made it back across the bridge to the hotel, no problem.





    While listening to the classical music station, DH heard about a new music percussion concert at the City Theatre. We decided to attempt another drive around the city and attend the concert. New Music concerts don’t usually sell out, but we ordered our tickets on the phone anyway. Before the concert, we walked to the end of our block to Six Penn for dinner. Very elegant place, but the various meats on the menu were too exotic for me, and I stuck with chicken. The cubes of bacon in the mashed potatoes were sinfully good, and I almost can’t imagine eating mashed potatoes without bacon cubes ever again. Who thought of that – ugh! It’s so good but it’s just so wrong… Fired up the auto again and headed for the South Shore. Made it to the Liberty Bridge to cross and knew we had to go left at the end of the bridge. Just one little problem – no left turns! Uh-oh. Ended up going straight through to a very loooooooooong tunnel. Had the experience of how it must have felt being born so many years ago. Then, we had no choice but to drive up a mountain. Near the top of the mountain we were able to turn around in a parking lot, and drive back down the mountain and through the birthing canal again. This time I was able to negotiate the intersections before the bridge crossing. I must have missed the signs which said “turn right to go left” on the way there. We eventually found the theater with the help of a passerby, (again, not too wisely left the address back at the hotel, where it was most useful.) The concert was a solo percussionist, Steve Schick, and it was extraordinary. A perfect answer to our Omni Max experience the night before.





    Sunday. Tried to sleep in. Had a lazy morning in our air-conditioned room. Checked out at the last possible minute. Uneventful ride home, except for the sheets of rain which made driving 75mph on the interstate quite impossible.





    Thank you, Pittsburgh, for an interesting weekend getaway - you have a delightful city.



    Trip Report: July 17-20, 2008


    Thanks for the great report......as a newbie to Pittsburgh, I can definitely relate to your driving mishaps. Oops, wrong turn - here comes the tunnel again.




    What a great report! We get so few on this forum - thank you for sharing!





    I%26#39;m so glad you enjoyed your visit and found a lot to like here.




    Thank you. I know so many people use the forums to get help planning their trips, but not as many people write reviews or check back in *after* the trip. I wish more people did follow-ups! :|


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  • Hershey in October

    Has anyone ever been to Hershey Park in October? We%26#39;re going the 18- 20th and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the Hershey area in the fall. I would guess the park isn%26#39;t as crowded as the summer?



    Hershey in October


    Hershey should be very nice in October. Just be aware that the weather can be very unpredictable in Central PA at that time of year. The weather also tends to predict the crowds at Hershey in October; however, overall the crowds shouldn%26#39;t be what they can be in the summer. FYI, all of the park rides are not open for Halloween in the Dark. For more info, check out their website:





    halloweeninhershey.com/hersheypark_dark.php



    Hershey in October


    We went to Hershey last year around Halloween and it was great (70 degrees, no lines and we went on a weekend), so you may get lucky far as crowds and weather are concerned. But as the above poster said, weather in central PA is very unpredictable (heck, snow is possible!)




    we went during easter in 07 and it snowed...so weather is not easy to know. We also have been for xmas 4 or 5 times...we have had 7 degree frigid temps and 50 degree oh so nice. Go and enjoy..just check weather.com and dress for whatever life brings you.





    As far as crowds, don%26#39;t know during that time. But I think you can assume the same as xmas or easter....if the weather is nice more ';locals'; will be there and therefore more crowds. Sometimes, the ';iffier'; the weather, the less the crowds.





    Please report on your trip!

    One-Night Lodging

    To Members of the Lancaster Forum,





    I am back again and need some assistance. I will be travelling through Lancaster later this month and need some advice for one-night%26#39;s lodging.





    I would need a place that accepts smokers.





    I already tried the Revere Inn. Booked up!





    BrooklynWildkat



    One-Night Lodging


    If it%26#39;s just one night, try the hawthorne inn. It%26#39;s a strange location (nestled between 462 and 30), but it%26#39;s clean, new and modern with a free breakfast. It%26#39;s usually not that expensive either. I%26#39;m not sure if they have smoking rooms, it%26#39;s worth a phone call. We have stayed at the best western eden inn, and my husband smoked on the balcony (we had a suite), but they are pricier, no free breakfast, and I don%26#39;t know their actual smoking policy.



    One-Night Lodging


    You might want to try the Countryside Motel on Rt 896



    south of rt 30 in ronks. This is a small family motel with no ammenities but it is clean and comfortable and very very affordable. Not sure about



    smoking here

    Travelodge question

    Just wondering about the Travelodge on Lititz Pike (Route 501). I noticed today that the hotel is no longer listed on the Travelodge website, so perhaps it has changed names once again. If anyone knows what is going on, please let me know.



    Travelodge question


    Just found the answer to my own question. The Travelodge at 1492 Lititz Pike is going to be a Days Inn %26amp; Suites.

    local train from Philadelphia to Cherry Hill

    I%26#39;ll be attending a conference in Cherry Hill next week. I%26#39;ll be traveling from NYC via train to Philadelphia. I understand that I should take a train to Cherry Hill. Would any one have the link to a train schedule from Phily to Cherry Hill. Much appreciate any help. Thank you!



    local train from Philadelphia to Cherry Hill


    You should only take the train there if your final destination is like right next to the train station, otherwise, take a cab from or rent a car at 30th Street Station. Although it is possible to get to Cherry Hill by train, I have never heard of anyone actually attempting it. Anyway, here%26#39;s the link: tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak/FareFinder?





    The stations of interest are PHL and CRH











    local train from Philadelphia to Cherry Hill


    Hello!





    If you could tell us where you are staying in Cherry Hill, we may be able to give you more specific directions. Besides the Atlantic City Line commuter rail on NJ Transit that owlyn referred to, there is also the PATCO train (similar to the NYC-area PATH train) which has a stop called Woodcrest in Cherry Hill. There are also numerous bus routes via NJ Transit as well. Of course, if you can charge a taxi to your business, that would be the most convenient route of all; I%26#39;d guesstimate $30-40 one-way plus tolls.





    Tony




    I tried to post a Thank You note to the responses but my browser crashed. if it is posted, here is a second version :)





    Anyway, thanks again for the heads up. I%26#39;ll be staying the Hyatt at Cherry Hill. The hotel indicates that it is 5 min. away by taxi from the train station. However, I might take up your advices and take a cab.



    Much thanks again.




    There is a train station in Cherry Hill, however, I believe the train goes AC from there. As far as I know, there is no direct train service into Cherry Hill from NYC. The station they are talking about is about 5 minutes from the Hyatt, that is correct.



    Another consideration is to take the bus to Mt. Laurel, NJ. (I know it%26#39;s creepy, but it%26#39;s fast!). I take it all the time. There are non-stop busses all day long, and the ride is about 90 minutes. Take a cab from the station in Mt. Laurel to your hotel. Depending on the time of day, your trip from the bus station would be 10-20 minutes.



    The bus is cheap, around $40 round trip. I am guessing your cab ride would be $20 or so.




    Sparky: I believe the Hyatt Cherry Hill has changed ownership. It is now a Crowne Plaza. It is located at the intersection of Rt. 70 and Cuthbert Blvd. The closest train station is either the Westmont or Collingswood Patco stations. I believe either station is about a 5 minute cab ride from the hotel. To take the train to these stations you will need to board the Market Frankford Elevated at 30th Street Station. Get off at 8th and Market (Market East station). You will then leave the Septa trains and follow the signs to the Patco line. You will take the Patco line toward Lindenwold. You will get off at the Collingswood Station then take a cab.





    There is a lot of train changing in proceeding in this fashion. If your time is as valuable as your money, it is likely worth it to take a cab from 30th Street to the hotel. I don%26#39;t know how much a cab will cost but depending on the time of day, the train could take over an hour and you will likely need to arrange for a cab to meet you at Collingswood station. This is really more of a commuter line so cabs are not generally waiting at stations unless it is rush hour or they are requested to be present by a rider. Hope that helps. Moms




    Sparky: Call your hotel, they may have a shuttle bus/van that can pick you up at either 30th street station, the Mt. Laurel Bus Station or Woodcrest Train Station.





    Having hailed from Mt. Laurel, I know there%26#39;s a number of hotels in the area that have free shuttles to take their guests to Woodcrest Station, you just have to arrange your times with them. Hopefully, your hotel is one of these.




    Sparky: If you choose the Patco route, please make sure you know the location of your hotel in Cherry Hill. Cherry Hill is quite expansive. While the Woodcrest Station is the only train station in Cherry Hill proper, many stations along the route are actually closer to parts of Cherry Hill than Woodcrest Station. Much of western Cherry Hill is better accessed to the Collingswood, Westmont and Haddonfield stations. If the Hyatt to which you refer is the hotel at the intersection of Rt. 70 and Cuthbert Blvd, the Woodcrest Station would not be the closest station. Collingswood and Westmont would be the stations. Just make sure to check with the hotel. Moms




    Sparky: I was just checking the NJ Transit Train schedule for a trip to NYC when it occured to me to check the location of the Cherry Hill station. If you are staying at the Hyatt/Crowne Plaza, the Atlantic City line has service to the Cherry Hill station that is located very close to the hotel. It could be walking distance except that the roads are a bit crazy in that location with many shopping centers and such. Again, call the hotel to see if they will pick you up from the NJ Transit station. For schedule and price info check www.njtransit.com. Moms




    Momstravel is correct. I forgot that the Hilton just became a a Hyatt. Hopefully, they will redo the rooms, as the last time a friend stayed there he said they were pretty beat!



    I checked NJT,and there is no direct service from Penn Station (Amtrack) to Cherry Hill, just as I thought. So if you train it to 30th St. Station in Philadelphia, you will have to go to the nearest Patco Station (by cab or walking), and take Patco to either the Collingswood or Haddon Township stop. You will have to call for a cab from there. I think you will have better luck with faster cab service in Collingswood. These are small towns, so it%26#39;s unlikely that a cab will be waiting right at the curb of the station. (You may want to check with the hotel to see if they have a shuttle that will pick you up at the Patco station of your choice). From either stop, you are at most a 5 minute ride to your hotel in Cherry Hill. If you take Patco to the Woodcrest Station in Cherry Hill, you are actually much further from your hotel than if you stop at either of the towns I mentioned.



    Again, your other choice is to take Greyhound from the Port Authority non stop to Mt. Laurel and grab a cab to the hotel in Cherry Hill. Personally, that would be my choice for getting to your hotel in the quickest way with the least amount of aggravation and transfers.




    Tramorer is correct. There is no direct service from Penn Station to Cherry Hill. You would take a train from Penn Station to 30th Street Station then transfer to NJ Transit.





    The best advice it to take the bus from Port Authority to Mt. Laurel then grab a cab. The bus ride is through Peter Pan lines and is very clean, direct and usually they show movies. If cabs are not present, which they may not be because this is primarily a commuter route, you will need to call a cab. It is about a 15 minute cab ride to the hotel with no traffic, a little further with traffic.





    Great advice from Tramorer! Moms

    Springhill Suites Marriott-What is there to do?

    What restaurants and stores are around this hotel?



    Springhill Suites Marriott-What is there to do?


    There is Plymouth Meeting Mall, and several chain restaurants. There are a few non-chain restaurants scattered around. The area is very suburban. There is nothing to do in the immediate area.



    Springhill Suites Marriott-What is there to do?


    Which Springhill Suites? There is more than one.



    Lynn




    Lynn I%26#39;m talking about the Springhill Suites Marriott




    In addition to the one referred to by Owlyn, I believe there is a Willow Grove location.



    Lynn




    Even if it is Willow Grove, the answer is the same, except that it%26#39;s Willow Grove Mall instead of Plymouth Meeting Mall.


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  • Hershey Inn Smorgasbord

    Debated on Miller%26#39;s or Hershey Inn. Millers is more expensive, and wasn%26#39;t impressed when we went several years ago. Went to Hershey Inn with kids. The price (with internet coupon and kid priced menu) was definately better than Millers. The food was okay. There was a good selection and the bread was fresh and good, but I wish they had real butter. The dining area could also use a little updating. But the kids were happy. On a scale from 1 to 10, I%26#39;d give them a 6 or 7.



    Hershey Inn Smorgasbord


    Must admit that I haven%26#39;t been to Miller%26#39;s lately,



    but I%26#39;ve always enjoyed them. Have you gone there



    for breakfast? The last time we went it was fabulous



    Hershey%26#39;s is probably more kid friendly. Try the



    Willow Valley smorgasbord; it%26#39;s about 8 minutes



    south of the city. Route 222/272 south about 4 miles.

    Meadowbrook Manor Girls' Riding Camp

    I spent a summer at Meadowbrook Manor - a then riding resort that also had a few girls who came to ride for the summer.



    Are there any alumna out there who also remember this camp and Mr. and Mrs. Fugel?

    CABS in Philly - General info

    My husband and I are planning a weekend trip to Philly this month. We live in NYC - what is the cab situation in Philly, relative to NYC? Can you get cabs easily throughout the city? Do you have to call a cab company to get one, or are they on the streets most of the time and can be hailed that way?



    CABS in Philly - General info


    Cabs are plentiful throughout Center City and can always be hailed on the street. Unlike those in NYC, they are not all yellow, so not quite as easy to spot, but you shouldn%26#39;t have any trouble finding one.



    CABS in Philly - General info


    While there are plenty of cabs in Philadelphia, it is not like NYC, where 7 out of 10 vehicles are cabs. Here, it%26#39;s more like 1 out of 100. Still, you should have no problem at all downtown. If you venture outside of the immediate downtown area, like Northern Liberties, the situation changes- there are far fewer cabs, but it is still possible to hail one-it just might take 10 minutes. And, of course, if it%26#39;s raining, it%26#39;s exactly the same as NYC- there are no cabs at all. If you need to call one, I suggest this phone number, only because it is easy to remember: 215-333-3333.




    One note - depending on your plans you may not need one. Philly is a lot more compact than NYC, most of the major attractions are in walking distance of each other. In addition, there is the Phlash shuttle, which runs during the day on a continuous loop past all the major sites.




    Thank you all for your input, which was very helpful. My husband and I had a fun and relaxing weekend in Philly, and highly recommend the city in general, as well as the Sofitel hotel, the Big Bus tours, the Duck Boat tour and walking as much as you can to really get a feel for how beautiful the city is.




    We%26#39;re very glad you had a good time. Please post a review of the Sofitel if you have a chance, it helps us keep our notes current.

    Pet Friendly

    Heard there are some pet friendly hotels Anyone know of them?

    Things to do with 7 year twin boys in the Scranton/Pocono

    My nephews are visiting the Scranton area and I am looking for things for them to do in the area. Don%26#39;t mind a drive. Has anyone been in Buskill Falls or the Delaware Water Gap recently?





    Things to do with 7 year twin boys in the Scranton/Pocono


    In the Scranton area I would recommend the train museum Steamtown and the Lacakwanna Coal Mine. Bushkill Falls and the Water Gap are also nice.



    Things to do with 7 year twin boys in the Scranton/Pocono


    The boys would love going to Knoebels Grove Amusement Resort in Elysburg, PA. It%26#39;s about an 1.5 hours drive southwest of Scranton. It%26#39;s just south of I-80 at Rt 487 near Bloomsburg.


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  • Sunday, April 4, 2010

    Where to check out Pittsburgh glass?

    Any recommendations on where to check out cool glass exhibits? My husband loves glass and I see that there were interesting exhibits there in 2007, but don%26#39;t see much happening now. We%26#39;ll be there on Aug 16th.





    THANKS!



    Where to check out Pittsburgh glass?


    The Heinz History Center in the Strip District has an excellent standing local glass exhibit.

    colonial/revolutionary america themed vacation help

    Hi. I posted this on another forum, so hopefully I鈥檒l hear back from someone! :-P My family is doing a one week vacation next summer. I have two boys, one will be 12 and the other 8. My wife and I decided to do a Colonial America themed trip because our oldest will be learning some american history in the upcoming school year. We have 9 days, traveling from New Hampshire. We want to hit Philadelphia, Washington, and Williamsburg.





    We are going to make an entire year out of the theme, visiting Minuteman National Historical Park (Lexington and Concord) on Patriot鈥檚 Day in April, and in June, visit Bunker Hill and walk the Freedom Trail in Boston...see Boston Tea Party, Old North Church, Paul Revere House, Faneuil Hall/Quincy Market, graves of revolutionaries...etc. I love colonial and revolutionary american history, so I have brought my boys up with the same passion. Not too worried about them being bored with all the history involved. We do the Lexington Green battle reenactment every year. I figured if they get tired of the 1770s, we%26#39;ll end the trip with Busch Gardens. So far we have come up with this itinerary:



    DAY



    1: Drive to Philadelphia



    2. Philadelphia - Independence National Historical Park (Visitor Center/Independence Hall/Liberty Bell/ National Constitution Center/Ben Franklin Grave)



    3. Valley Forge National Historical Site; drive to DC



    4. Washington - White House (outside view), National Mall (Washington/Lincoln/Jefferson/war memorials鈥tc), US Capitol Building and the new visitor center, tour



    5. Washington - National Archives (Charters of Freedom), National Museum of American History; maybe an hour at the end of the day seeing the most significant items at the National Air %26amp; Space Museum



    6. Mount Vernon in the morning (3 hours enough?), then head to Colonial National Historical Park, primarily to see Yorktown for a few hours in the afternoon鈥?google maps says 2.5 hours away from Vernon, so I rounded to 3 hours to be safe, should be in Yorktown by 3:00? Closes at 5:00, so this is my biggest concern if we鈥檒l have enough time there. If the visitor center closes at 5:00, can we still drive around into the evening? Someone let me know how I can make this day worth it for both places, because I would like to take part in the siege walking tour. I would like to spend atleast 3 hours at each.



    7. Colonial Williamsburg



    8. Busch Gardens Williamsburg



    9. LONG drive back over Chesapeake Bay Bridge to home in New Hampshire





    Thanks in advance for you help! Cheers鈥ike



    colonial/revolutionary america themed vacation help


    Quick thoughts, thats a little ambitious, but doable.. Your missing some stuff in Philly but hitting the main things. Pre-order your independence



    hall tix on line to make sure you get an early time.





    Day 4 in washington is light, but you%26#39;ll need the rest. Can%26#39;t speak to day 6.



    colonial/revolutionary america themed vacation help


    I%26#39;m a Philly native and have taken plenty of out-of-town friends on tours of the city, especially the little known and less touristy parts.





    I agree with the other poster in regards to ordering tix in advance. Not that long ago, there was never a line to get into Independence Hall or to really see the Liberty Bell. That has all changed.





    In June, I took my gf%26#39;s mother and friend (both native NYers who%26#39;d never been to Philly proper) on my ';Taste of Philly'; walking and driving tour.





    The wait to get into the State House (aka Independence Hall) was 3 hours. The line snaked around and around. The wait for the Liberty Bell was at least an hour. I miss the old glass pavilion it was housed it. I%26#39;d have my friends put their noses up to the glass is there were more than a dozen people in line to get in.





    Read up on the Bell, it had little to nothing to do with Independence. Once you know the ';story'; you might elect to avoid it all together other than just to say you saw it.





    Don%26#39;t forget Betsy Ross%26#39;s house a couple blocks away to the north. Ben Franlin%26#39;s House, post office and print shop are on 3rd and Market. Be sure to go to the underground museum circa 1976 and ';talk'; to dead presidents!





    I recommend visiting the nationally acclaimed Franklin Fountain for some non-colonial homemade turn-of-the-century ice cream at 2nd and Market. Independence MALL is at 5 and Market.





    For cheesesteaks, try Campo%26#39;s right on Market between 2nd and 3rd. Quality steaks and they are on South Philly seeded rolls. I recommend that you stay away from Jim;s on South St. And, it%26#39;s not worth going to South Philly to try Pat%26#39;s or Geno%26#39;s. It%26#39;s easy to get lost going there and the neighborhood can be rough. If you do decide to go to Pat%26#39;s and Geno%26#39;s, take a cab (don%26#39;t have them wait for you after the drop you off!!!) and order one steak from Pat%26#39;s and then cross the street to Geno%26#39;s and order one there. Eat them side by side. Then hail another cab and have them take you straight up 9th Street through the Italian (and now ';Mexican';) Market. You%26#39;ll see the same street scenes in the original Rocky movie.





    If you do the Rocky steps, take a cab there. At the top you%26#39;ll find Rocky%26#39;s bronzed footprints and a statue at the bottom of the steps to the left.





    Philly is as walkable as Boston, which is where I%26#39;m headed to next week in fact.





    Elfreth%26#39;s Alley is the oldest residential street in the US and is usually a quaint starting point for any of my homemade tours. It%26#39;s in the shadow of the Ben Franklin Bridge, too!





    Visit Washington Sq which is 1/2 a block behind Independence Hall. There%26#39;s a statue of Washington and it%26#39;s the burial ground for a number of Revolutionary soldiers and the grave of the Unknown.





    From NH to Philly, it%26#39;s about 6 hours. Leave early enough and you can get a lot of the little things I mentioned done the first day and leave the 2nd day for the bigger items: Independence National Historical Park -- Visitor Center/Independence Hall/Liberty Bell/ National Constitution Center (which is all part of the same thing), Ben franlin%26#39;s House. His grave is a few blocks away.





    Betsy Ross%26#39; house takes about 15 minutes to run through it. There are colonial dressed actors out front in the courtyard. I think they are more entertaining than the house itself which may or may not have been the actual house she lived in! SHHHH! Don%26#39;t tell anyone that.





    I%26#39;d check out the Quaker Meeting House that is on the grounds of the Independence National Historical Park (northeast corner). There is usually a really good actor there in a rocking chair who is a real present day Quaker.





    A block or 2 north is something very uncolonial... the US Mint.





    I%26#39;d visit Christ%26#39;s Church on 2nd above Market where Washington prayed, Carpenter%26#39;s Hall and Tun Tavern, which no longer stands, Carpenter%26#39;s Hall is traditionally held as the place where the Marine Corps was founded. The 2nd National Bank is worth a visit, as well.





    Valley Forge is really a half day trip, at best. Give yourself about 30 to 45 minutes to get there on I76 with light to medium traffic. I haven%26#39;t been there in years, but have heard there are a lot of improvements. The log cabins are neat, especially for kids. They may have colonial actors there now. One of the largest malls on the East Coast is a stone%26#39;s throw from VF, King of Prussia Mall.





    Down aways from VF and KofP Mall is the Battle of Brandywine site just north of the Delaware border.





    Just off 95 in DE near the very last exit before Maryland is the site of the only Rev. War battle fought in DE, Cooch%26#39;s Bridge. If you want to visit a site, I%26#39;d go with Brandywine. It%26#39;s huge part of the larger Chadds Ford/Brandywine Valley area. Cooch%26#39;s Bridge is hard to access with the traffic and you%26#39;d miss it if you blinked.





    The Battle of Germantown took place about 6 miles from Independence Hall. It%26#39;s within Philadelphia and very quaint and not a site most people visit. A little off the beaten path, but not as much as Cooch%26#39;s Bridge.





    The trip to DC will take you 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours depending upon traffic. The Valley Forge area can be EXTREMELY congested near and during rush hour, especially on I76. I95 South shouldn%26#39;t be a problem (watch for PA State Troopers near the Philly airport and in DE near Newark by the MD border) until you get between Balto and DC. The Beltway can be murder at rush hour, as well.





    You may find you%26#39;ll need more than 1 1/2 days in Philly after all.





    Have fun!




    You should really visit Washington Crossing PA/NJ. It%26#39;s a little less than an hour north of the city and is at the very least as interetsting as Valley Forge. You can hit it on you way in by getting off the NJT at Exit 7, and take I-195 West to NJ-29 North. It%26#39;s about a 30 minute ride from Exit 7. You can park on the PA or NJ side and walk across the bridge. The PA side is more interesting, IMO.





    Also, IMO, you are doing yourselves a disservice by not spending more time in DC. While it has nothing to do with Colonial America, there is so much to see there. When you visit the Vietnam War Memorial, bring tissues. Get to The National Archives first thing in the morning- before they open. The line gets very, very long, and it is really the one thing in your entire tour that should not be missed. You will wish you spent more time at the Air %26amp; Space Museum, though.





    Also, keep in mind that Colonial Williamsburg is a re-creation, not the real thing.




    Bobbyjack - welcome to the Philly forum. Great post!




    Many locations along the East Coast have sites from the Revolutionary War, but only Philadelphia (and more broadly Pennsylvania) is the place where our country%26#39;s foundation was laid. My advice to you while in Philly is to skip sites that have to do only with the War and focus on establishment of US government, particularly the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. What many people don%26#39;t realize is how much our civil liberties were inspired by the laws of William Penn. The National Park focuses on the narrow span of years of the Revolutionary War and does not get into early Philly history.



    By the way, the ';fighting'; Quaker Meetinghouse is a neat stop but has little significance to the establishment of the nation. You%26#39;d learn more at either the Atwater Kent Museum or the Arch Street Meetinghouse at 4th and Arch. (This is still an active Friends Meeting.)



    Also, if you want to see another extraordinary aspect of Colonial Philly, tour the Old Philadelphia Congregations. These sites are still active religious communities with Colonial or Federalist Era roots. They are witness to the diversity that resulted from the tolerence here. Even if you don%26#39;t visit the sites, I recommend the website holyexperiment.org.



    With regard to the Liberty Bell, I agree that with limited time I%26#39;d skip it in favor of Franklin Court. Also, I%26#39;d skip the Betsy Ross House (more lore than history) in favor of Elfreths Alley, a more expansive look at the homes of the Colonial working class.



    If you were going to spend more time here I%26#39;d say take half a day to tour Cliveden, where the Battle of Germantown was fought. The home, with furnishings, documents, paintings, etc., was given to the National Trust in 1972 after being in the same family almost continuously since the Colonial Era. Incredibly comprehensive tour.



    Lynn




    Mike



    If you haven%26#39;t already, take a look at ushistory.org. This is, IMO, the best website for planning a visit to Philly.



    Lynn


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